The Judge

[Mark]

Taurus model 4510, aka "The Judge". This baby sits in my nightstand just waiting for some unsuspecting fool to try something stupid ;)

[Mark]

For your reading and viewing pleasure.

http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

[rjrivero]

And you tried to tell us you don't like wheel guns!!! :laugh:

[Remphoto]

For your reading and viewing pleasure.

http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

The third link is awesome, especially toward the end where he blasts the target from the car -- now that is some nock down power!

[Mark]

The third link is awesome, especially toward the end where he blasts the target from the car -- now that is some nock down power!

There question of stopping power goes back and forth on these guns. The argument is that the .410 shotgun shell doesn't contain enough energy to effectively stop someone vs. say a .45 acp. They also argue that the pattern is so broad that it's ineffective past 7 yards. That's part of the reason they brought out a 3" cartridge version, mine is the older 2.5".

Personally, I suspect that IF I would have the occasion to use this it will be at less than 7 yards and I'm pretty sure the target will think the energy emparted on their chest will be plenty :D

Of course just to be on the safe side I have alternating .410 #6 and .45 long colt loaded. The #6 will slow them down and the long colt will finish them off.

[Mark]

And you tried to tell us you don't like wheel guns!!! :laugh:

I'm a closet revolver fan...... :gun:

[mycar47562]

the judge is awesome tried to get one but the dude would meet what i said i had to have. shame to loss a sale over 15 bucks

[OFallon]

The Judge is like a Pug dog, I guess. The owner loves it while everyone else thinks it's ugly, cumbersome and fills no real niche-of-need.

Yep, I prefer the Tracker in .45Colt.

[rjrivero]

If you could find someone to machine a 6 or 8" barrel for it that accepts choke tubes, I'd be really interested in using one of these on a skeet field. I'm sadistic like that. ;)

[Remphoto]

I apologize for restarting the Judge topic. I was thinking the original discussion was over on the 1130cc site. My memory isn't what it used to be.

[budroe]

Not my cup of tea, but Taurus sells a lot of them. Looks like a lot of folks go for them in a big way.

[mycar47562]

they really are probally the best vechile gun out there

and rj i think that should be your next project gun i bet you could make a killing off of that. i can just see it now olympic handgun skeet shooting

[JasonC]

If you could find someone to machine a 6 or 8" barrel for it that accepts choke tubes, I'd be really interested in using one of these on a skeet field. I'm sadistic like that. ;)

I am working for my uncle's machine shop and if you are serious I could talk to him about it. We may be able to make some depending on interest and what would be involved.

[rjrivero]

I am working for my uncle's machine shop and if you are serious I could talk to him about it. We may be able to make some depending on interest and what would be involved.

I AM serious. I have no IDEA what it would take to make such a beast work. But if is possible, I would SERIOUSLY give it a shot. Pun intended.

[JasonC]

I'll talk to him about it in the morning and see what he says.

[StrawHat]

If you could find someone to machine a 6 or 8" barrel for it that accepts choke tubes, I'd be really interested in using one of these on a skeet field. I'm sadistic like that. ;)

I do not have a Taurus to look at but I believe you will need to do more than just swap barrels. The extractor rod appears to be the front lock up point for the cylinder. If so, that will have to be maintained somehow. There are a couple of ways to do that. None of them very difficult.

I think the biggest problem would be the screw in chokes on a rifled barrel. Not sure what benefit they would provide.

[rjrivero]

I do not have a Taurus to look at but I believe you will need to do more than just swap barrels. The extractor rod appears to be the front lock up point for the cylinder. If so, that will have to be maintained somehow. There are a couple of ways to do that. None of them very difficult.

I think the biggest problem would be the screw in chokes on a rifled barrel. Not sure what benefit they would provide.

My thought is to make a new barrel, smooth bore just for showing off at the skeet field. One with interchangeable chokes would be icing on the cake. If I could ever hit anything, that is.

[StrawHat]

My thought is to make a new barrel, smooth bore just for showing off at the skeet field. One with interchangeable chokes would be icing on the cake. If I could ever hit anything, that is.

Not trying to rain on your parade but I believe the smoothbore idea requires a tax stamp from the Feds. You are creating a short barreled shotgun.

With a rifled bore, no problems, full steam ahead. The smoothbore, better slow down, Club Fed ain't as fancy as it's cracked up to be.

Some of the gunsmiths in the forum will be able to better advise you but check with BATF before you get too far along.

[rjrivero]

Not trying to rain on your parade but I believe the smoothbore idea requires a tax stamp from the Feds. You are creating a short barreled shotgun.

With a rifled bore, no problems, full steam ahead. The smoothbore, better slow down, Club Fed ain't as fancy as it's cracked up to be.

Some of the gunsmiths in the forum will be able to better advise you but check with BATF before you get too far along.

Well, that sucks. Didn't even think that it would be a problem with Uncle Sam. Thanks for setting me strait before I made a big mistake.

[StrawHat]

Now for the rainbow!

You can still go ahead with your project, yes the bore needs to be rifled but no one said rifling has to spiral. More than a few of the early muzzleloading rifles were cut with straight rifling. The shot load will still be influenced but nowhere near as much if a spirally rifled bore.

If the barrel maker can't do straight have it cut 1 turn in 144", that should be close enough for what you want.

Have you ever shot skeet with a 410? Can't imagine it is all that easy with a long tube let alone a 6" one.

Good luck.

[JasonC]

Now for the rainbow!

You can still go ahead with your project, yes the bore needs to be rifled but no one said rifling has to spiral. More than a few of the early muzzleloading rifles were cut with straight rifling. The shot load will still be influenced but nowhere near as much if a spirally rifled bore.

If the barrel maker can't do straight have it cut 1 turn in 144", that should be close enough for what you want.

Have you ever shot skeet with a 410? Can't imagine it is all that easy with a long tube let alone a 6" one.

Good luck.

Thanks, that's good to know. I wonder if I could get one to use as the Guinea pig and get a tax write off? It is being used for the business right? :rofl:

[StrawHat]

My memory isn't what it used to be.

Welcome to the club!!!!!!:rofl:

[mycar47562]

Thanks, that's good to know. I wonder if I could get one to use as the Guinea pig and get a tax write off? It is being used for the business right? :rofl:

seems pretty straight forward to me but im no irs agent

[Synseer]

I have one and am very satisfied with it. Taken it out to the range several times and just love the way it fires. Extremely happy with it.

[Remphoto]

I have one and am very satisfied with it. Taken it out to the range several times and just love the way it fires. Extremely happy with it.

Was at my FFL's friend's shop (actually an office in his main business which is an agricultural implement dealership). He has in inventory a gun which the Judge was based on. Forget the name but was built by a now-bankrupt mom and pop operation from Tennessee. It looks just like the Judge and is chambered for .410/ 45 colt 3". Really sweet looking. He offered it for $500, but I just bought 2 revolvers and need to back off for the moment.

[Synseer]

Was at my FFL's friend's shop (actually an office in his main business which is an agricultural implement dealership). He has in inventory a gun which the Judge was based on. Forget the name but was built by a now-bankrupt mom and pop operation from Tennessee. It looks just like the Judge and is chambered for .410/ 45 colt 3". Really sweet looking. He offered it for $500, but I just bought 2 revolvers and need to back off for the moment.

I'll have to mention that tidbit of info at the office...several gun nuts there that are knowledgeable of the history...think they would find that interesting. The Judge is pretty popular with several of them at the office; one guy was willing to travel out of town about an hour or so to purchase one since all the local shops were sold out outside of Gander Mountain which still had some in stock but people perfered not to buy from them cause their prices are jacked up.

[Slammed Vette]

I just bought one today!!! Stainless!! Was looking at the airlight version ,but was about $75 more and I didn't think it was that much lighter!!! I'll have pics as soona s I get it!! Have to wait the 72 hour waiting period here in IL.Might put money down on another gun when I pick this one up!! Forgot they do layaway!!!!:thumb:

[Remphoto]

Very nice. Saw a bunch of judges today while visiting in murthaland, payoff. I want one.

[Dframe]

I don't know of any reason why a choke tube (like is used on the contender) could not be made for one of these revolvers. The contenders choke tube has straight (lands? Grooves?) in it to slow or stop the rotation of the shot column. I don't think a talented machinist would have too much trouble making one for the judge,and providing the requisite threads for the barrel. Like the contender however it would have to be removed when the 45 Colt round is used.

[taurus judge]

:gun:love those taurus judge revolvers,i recently bought my self one.i have the newest judge to the market,the two inch barrel public defender.i reload and cast for this as well.300 grain cast bullet,backed by 5.0 grains of bullseye powder.what a cannon!!!!!

[rjrivero]

Do they make .410 flares that you can use in these things too? ;)

[Remphoto]

My local FFL dealer has a new thunder five revolver which was copied by Taurus when they designed the judge. It was built by MIL in piney flats, Tennessee which has since gone out of business. They were supposedly hillbilles with vision. Unfortunately the thunder five never gained the acceptance of the judge, probably because of lack of marketing and distribution. Interestingly, the T5 came chambered for 3" loads from the start, unlike Taurus. And yes the T5 is on my wish list as a night stand weapon.

[mycar47562]

rj i wasn't able to find any

[taurus judge]

they might as well make flares for them,the .410 is like a flare when you shoot it.my friend was watching me shoot my judge,and said it looked like a romane candle going off.:rofl::gun:

[taurus judge]

i just want to say that i am a big taurus revolver fan,i own three of these a judge/public defender a model 85 38 special and a ultra 9 22 cal,all in stainless steel.

[mycar47562]

then your my kinda man, i have owned quite a few over the last few years mostly semi's though right now i have a pt145 (my carry gun) and a m327 (wife's carry gun)

[Remphoto]

I have a stainless Tracker in .22 with 4" barrel. Super accurate and well-made.

[taurus judge]

hi guys, just wanted to say that i'am getting ready to load some 38 special ammo.cast a 148 grain wadcutter for it,can't wait to try out in my new revolver.

[CRH]

There question of stopping power goes back and forth on these guns. The argument is that the .410 shotgun shell doesn't contain enough energy to effectively stop someone vs. say a .45 acp. They also argue that the pattern is so broad that it's ineffective past 7 yards. That's part of the reason they brought out a 3" cartridge version, mine is the older 2.5".

Personally, I suspect that IF I would have the occasion to use this it will be at less than 7 yards and I'm pretty sure the target will think the energy emparted on their chest will be plenty :D

Of course just to be on the safe side I have alternating .410 #6 and .45 long colt loaded. The #6 will slow them down and the long colt will finish them off.
try the new PDX 410s They contain 3 disk slugs followed by buck shot. now put 5 of these in your assailent!

[CRH]

Winchester puts out the PDX1 410

[rjrivero]

Winchester puts out the PDX1 410

Have you seen the gel testing for those rounds? They're pretty impressive.

But the big news is that the 410 Judge is obsolete.

Introducing the NEW and IMPROVED RAGING JUDGE! :eek:

LINK HERE (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/19/taurus-28-gauge-raging-judge-revolver/).

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/img_5031-tm-tfb.jpg

[Remphoto]

Wow, make it compatible for .50 caliber, also, and you have a weapon for which our forum member Taurus Judge would sell his soul (only he would want it in snubby).:) Wonder how long it will take them to come up with a 20 gauge version? Now that would be a handful!

[CRH]

I'll have to wait till i get home to view your link RJ.. This R.N. place has more places restricted than not. What gage is this one?

[rjrivero]

I'll have to wait till i get home to view your link RJ.. This R.N. place has more places restricted than not. What gage is this one?

This one is 28 ga. Still expensive to feed, just bigger holes and more broken wrists!!!:p

[CRH]

My 45-410 is plenty for me. Infact for home defence it's just right. In home defence you have to consider more than just power. for instance who's behind the wall that your assailent is backed up to. Don't become a bigger danger to you family then the bad guy.
Hope this statement dosen't come off too cornny!

[HoldHard]

Taurus has pulled the plug on the Raging Judge.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/taurus-cancels-raging-judge/

HH

[rjrivero]

Taurus has pulled the plug on the Raging Judge.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/taurus-cancels-raging-judge/

HH

I believe Taurus was told that this particular gun had "no sporting purpose."

The interweb rumor mill, being what it is, has been ripe with anticiaption about an ATF ruling about the importation of SHOTGUNS.

A lot of this speculation is centered around Saigas. However, there are at least 3 other "new shotguns" that were scheduled to be introduced to the US market that supposedly don't pass the "sporting purpose" clause.

I don't know exactly what the ATF is going to put out, but the speculation is pretty endless at this point. They were supposedly going to make an announcement today, but the .gov work day has come and gone and as of yet, NOTHING.

We'll see if this is just an interweb rumor, or if it has any teeth.