Scare buying

[smoothrod]

I don't want to get into a serious political discussion about this subject but its effecting allot of people I know including myself.

I have been shooting guns all my life, growing up in Texas its just the deal. My first gun was a modified 20g shotgun that my dad had made so I could go dove hunting.

I own a few assorted rifles and shotguns that are in my brothers house in Alvarado in his gun cabinet. For the past several months I have been wanting to purchase a couple of good hand guns. This is were the subject of this post has come in to play. The few that I have been looking at have been driven up in price do to this whole buy now before January bullshit. Do any of yall honestly think that this will be an immediate problem come January?

[rjrivero]

There is so much on the plate right now, Handguns are going to be the least of the worries for the new administration.

With that being said, I don't think the gouge prices are going to go down anytime soon. If I were you, I'd look at Gunsamerica.com and guntrader.com to see if I could find what I'm after.

Lucky me, I'm at the stage where wheel guns and muzzle loaders have all my attention, and I don't see them going anywhere anyway.

[Max]

I agree with RJ, while I think things may be changed in the next couple of years I think the administration is going to be so busy just trying to keep the economy above water that guns will be a low priority at least for a while.

[streetrodder06]

Agreed, don't think we will have to worry about gun control issues for quite a while. I believe at best it will go back to something similar to the Brady Bill a few years back. Americans will ALWAYS have the right to buy guns, but do so within reason!!!

[Remphoto]

I loved the photo on the front page of our newspaper the day after the election. It was taken at a gun store in Texas where sales were booming. The gun being purchased was a .50 sniper rifle.

[thumbsupracing]

I am sure there isn't much to worry about, but I was at a gun show last weekend and a fellow dealer sold a shiteload of handguns. He normally has about 20 tables and his wife and another guy helping him, but this weekend he had 6 people working and more than a few times I noticed nearly all of them simultaneously selling/filling out paperwork. Crazy weekend, especially consindering the Iowa-Penn St game and the first really blustery weekend weather we've had to date.

[mycar47562]

i know guns are flying off the shelfs here. seems gun prices have stayed the same

[capngeo]

The big chain stores haven't changed much..... Mom & Pop shops are selling at MSRP. The auction sites are going whacko for hi-cap mags etc. CTD is out of stock on most of the good rifle ammo, hi-cap mags, and anything that got Brady'd last time

[Oriondk]

I was in a gun store on Thursday and the place was pretty busy for a Thursday. There have been a number of news stories about the increase in gun sales. Even people who've never had one are buying so be careful on the range.:cool:

[Max]

Well I don't know about scare buying but I went to the ft worth gun show today. I have been to a half dozen of them over the years and never have I seen anything like I saw today. The line to get in was a snake around the building and this was hours after it opened. The isles were absolutely packed, I saw more people filling out registration forms then I ever had and even noticed the prices altered on some of the tags to indicate higher prices and the dealers were not willing to bargain at all. Needless to say I walked away with nothing.

[CAJUN]

The thing that scares most people is the executive orders, with the stroke of a pen he can screw the gun owners. And the left will be pushing him to get things done. He allready said he will reverse Bushs executive orders to drill in protected areas. So don't be suprised if guns are on his shortlist. I know this is'nt a political forum but the left has been tring to outlaw guns for a long time and we have had enough Rep. to block them, they have 57 senators now and three races waiting to be decided and lookin like Dem. winners. if so they will have 60 dem senators and that is filabuster proof. If we can't stop them were screwed, thats why people are buying like crazy.

[CAJUN]

Sorry i got alittle political, but thats what it is.

[capngeo]

My dad wants to go to the range Monday.... He went to 3 different gun shops AND Wally-World.... NOBODY has any 9mm FMJ Ball ammo! WTF?

I have about 500 rounds... I'm wondering maybe I shouldn't go shoot them up at the range!

[CAJUN]

You might ought to shoot your 22 till we find out whats going to happen

[Oriondk]

I went to get some Blazer .357 and the shop was out. The did have .38 Special so I picked up a couple of boxes.

[CAJUN]

Don't forget to save ur brass if you go shootin.

[Oriondk]

Always.:thumb:

[Remphoto]

Seems to have been shorter supplies and higher prices on 9mm and .223 ammo even before the election due to military use. I'm sure it is even worse now. People that I know who were never gun interested are now buying them. Even my daughter is taking a CCW class, though has to get on a waiting list. She was always afraid of guns.

I think it is impossible to stay non-political on a gun forum. The majority of anti-gunners tend to belong to a particular political party and that particular party is now in power with not much to stop them from rolling over the 2nd amendment.

[capngeo]

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[Max]

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Ouch that hurts.

[CAJUN]

Whats up with the orangs tips on these guns?

[capngeo]

Actually they are toys.... The story was that the China made copy cat toys were too realistic, and somehow export got blocked for that reason.....

[Fuelburns1]

The best part of the "scare buying" is how easy it made selling some of my guns. I'm at a point where I'm cutting my collection back to come up with a cash reserve and for the most part my guns have sold quickly. If I were a dealer I'd be having a field day now while I could.

[rjrivero]

The best part of the "scare buying" is how easy it made selling some of my guns. I'm at a point where I'm cutting my collection back to come up with a cash reserve and for the most part my guns have sold quickly. If I were a dealer I'd be having a field day now while I could.

I'm looking for a couple replacements, posted in the classifieds. If you can help out, I'll be happy to help you build your cash reserve!!

[Fuelburns1]

Unfortunately I don't have any of those three pistols but I wish you luck on finding good replacements.

[Popeye]

Business has been very good since the election. Our prices have not gone up but we will no longer bargain over prices. If you don't want to pay the price the guy behind you will.

Distributor prices have risen. Soon, ours will have to rise. We have plenty of ammunition.

[mycar47562]

Ive been contimplating selling my m44 and ammo but i dont know i wanted it for a collectors peice but i might be selling it

[Remphoto]

I have never seen such intensity at the gun stores I have recently visited. Long lines just to look at the goods. Lots of irreverent comments about the direction of this country and the incoming leadership. I think the outcry will be massive if attempts are made to restrict gun ownership or use... not that it will do much good.

[Max]

Several recent visits to shops near me and they all claim record sales and they are always busy. They also say they are selling a great deal of assault rifles and large amounts of ammunition. Not sure I want some of these clowns that well armed. :rofl:

[Oriondk]

Several recent visits to shops near me and they all claim record sales and they are always busy. They also say they are selling a great deal of assault rifles and large amounts of ammunition. Not sure I want some of these clowns that well armed. :rofl:

I'm with you on that one. I'm gong to be extra careful at the range, too, because I think there's going to be a lot of new shooters out there.

[Remphoto]

Son who is cop in FL says rumor they're hearing is that ammo will be the first thing curtailed by the new Prez and his henchmen. Then will come high capacity magazines. They are stocking up each time they hit Walmart. I'm having a little difficulty finding .380 ammo at Wallyworld here and notice cheapasdirt and other online sites are out of stock on certain brands. Kind of like gasoline -- shortages caused by people hording it!

[Oriondk]

I haven't been able to get Blazer .357 for the last two weeks.

[OFallon]

Dave, try this:

.357 Magnum Blazer 158-Gr. JHP 300-Rnds. DELIVERED

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8869216

[Oriondk]

Dave, try this:

.357 Magnum Blazer 158-Gr. JHP 300-Rnds. DELIVERED

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8869216

That's $20 more than I'd pay locally. Plus, I don't think they'll ship to Sacramento. We have laws about buying ammo in this stupid town. Have to get fingerprinted or some nonsense. From what friends have told me, they haven't been able to buy online because of local laws.

[Popeye]

The city of Sacramento has a local ordinance banning the shipment of ammunition to any city citizen other than FFL01 holders. The county of Sacramento has no such ordinance.

I live well outside the city in the unincorporated county. My address says "Sacramento". No ammunition dealer will take the chance and ship ammunition to my address.

[Oriondk]

Yeah, I'm outside of the city limits, too, but my address says Sacramento. I suppose I could have ammo shipped to my sister in Citrus Heights. Hey, Popeye, what's the law on reloading components? I'm thinking of ordering some bullets. Having trouble finding 175 grn. Sierra Match Kings for my .308.

[Hammerdown]

Hello
In The state of Tennessee you can buy handguns Privatley. I have tried to do this over the past Two years on many of my Purchases. About 50 % of mine are Privatley Bought and the Federal Government does not need to know Just what we as Tax Payers have in our homes for guns as I feel eventually they can and will come for our guns in both hand and long form.:mad:We get more and more like a Communist Government every day. Think about it for a minute.. Seat belts, Smoking Bans, Places we can and can Not carry handguns. Sarah Brady will be back in Bed with Hillary very soon and Klinton would not like anything better than to have the banning of all handguns on her Resume. Just last year they tried to Place ammo on a ban list and silly enough .32 caliber was one of the chosen ones to ban. I have several in .32 Caliber so the banning of bullets for that caliber alone would push me eventually to cast my own lead bullets.I really do not see how they could ever control reloaders and I am Damn Glad I have a lot of supplies piled up. I hope to not see the banning of handguns in my life time, but if they decided to do it I have several they do not know about and intend to keep it that way...:mad: Hammerdown.

[capngeo]

Hello
In The state of Tennessee you can buy handguns Privatley. I have tried to do this over the past Two years on many of my Purchases. About 50 % of mine are Privatley Bought and the Federal Government does not need to know Just what we as Tax Payers have in our homes for guns as I feel eventually they can and will come for our guns in both hand and long form.:mad:We get more and more like a Communist Government every day. Think about it for a minute.. Seat belts, Smoking Bans, Places we can and can Not carry handguns. Sarah Brady will be back in Bed with Hillary very soon and Klinton would not like anything better than to have the banning of all handguns on her Resume. Just last year they tried to Place ammo on a ban list and silly enough .32 caliber was one of the chosen ones to ban. I have several in .32 Caliber so the banning of bullets for that caliber alone would push me eventually to cast my own lead bullets.I really do not see how they could ever control reloaders and I am Damn Glad I have a lot of supplies piled up. I hope to not see the banning of handguns in my life time, but if they decided to do it I have several they do not know about and intend to keep it that way...:mad: Hammerdown.

+1^^^^
Well actually.... its more like +23!

[Remphoto]

Lots of things I hate about living in Ohio (weather, economy, politicians, etc.); but when it comes to things like gun restrictions and concealed carry they are fairly lenient. A couple of the big cities tried to put their own bans on certain weapons and concealed carry restricitions but they were foiled by the courts.

[Popeye]

Yeah, I'm outside of the city limits, too, but my address says Sacramento. I suppose I could have ammo shipped to my sister in Citrus Heights.
You could do that.

Hey, Popeye, what's the law on reloading components? I'm thinking of ordering some bullets. Having trouble finding 175 grn. Sierra Match Kings for my .308.
Dunno. I've been here since January 1997 and I haven't yet unpacked my reloading equipment. One of the bennies of working/hanging out at a gun shop, ammo at cost...:D

[Oriondk]

One of the bennies of working/hanging out at a gun shop, ammo at cost...:D

Plus you have first crack at the best guns.:thumb:

[Popeye]

Nope, not really. They have to be available for sale for thirty days before employees can purchase them.

[Oriondk]

Nope, not really. They have to be available for sale for thirty days before employees can purchase them.

Yeah, but you can always put them in the back of the safe, right?:D

[Popeye]

:D

:eek:

[Hammerdown]

Yeah, but you can always put them in the back of the safe, right?:D

Or Tell Buyers that it has Internal Issues. That really would not be Lying if you wanted it as the Internal issue is, You have to wait 30 Days before buying it...:p Hammerdown

[rjrivero]

There is so much on the plate right now, Handguns are going to be the least of the worries for the new administration.


Just to emphasize this point, this is a news article that may be of interest.

Link here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292).

I can see this going one of two ways:

1) He is more based in reality than his campaign made it out to be. So he won't mess with the gun right groups, and leave the firearms laws alone.

2) He may posture by using the 2nd Ammendment as his "Look how liberal I am" flag.

I believe it makes more sense to follow the first path, but then again, I'm not President Elect.

[mycar47562]

im hoping he chooses number 1 but he has said it's a scandal that the clinton gun bans wernt renacted

[Oriondk]

im hoping he chooses number 1 but he has said it's a scandal that the clinton gun bans wernt renacted

I'm hopeful, myself. So far he seems to be more pragmatic than I expected. Plus I think the reaction to his "clings to their religion and guns" comment and the Heller decision may have tempered any ideas he may have had on gun control. We'll see. Also, it's my understanding that the new Deomocrats elected to Congress are more moderate than liberal.

[Remphoto]

I'm hopeful, myself. So far he seems to be more pragmatic than I expected. Plus I think the reaction to his "clings to their religion and guns" comment and the Heller decision may have tempered any ideas he may have had on gun control. We'll see. Also, it's my understanding that the new Deomocrats elected to Congress are more moderate than liberal.

I hope and pray you are right about this, but at his very core, based on all his previous background, actions, associates, etc., he is about as left as they come. He may be distracted and constrained by current economic circumstances, but he is positioned to eventually enact everything in the Liberal Playbook. And that Playbook is mind-numbing in terms of gun control (to stay on topic), social issues, foreign policy and the remolding of the America conceived by our Founding Fathers. As they used to say about some of America's former enemies, "Trust but verify".

[Oriondk]

I hope I'm right, too. We better get off of the politics, though, before this thread is closed.

[capngeo]

I hope I'm right, too. We better get off of the politics, though, before this thread is closed.

I dare say (feel free to tell me otherwise) that EVERY member of this board is of like mindset where the 2A is concerned. That said, the discussion of the current vs incoming administrations would not be as political as it is informative.

Once again, it is MVHO that ALL of us who want to keep our guns, need to stick together on this topic.

A recent letter from the NRA:
Dear Fellow NRA Member,

In the next few days, you'll receive your new NRA membership card.

The moment you receive it, I urge you to validate your new membership card as soon as possible. More than ever, we need you to stand with NRA and fight to save our Second Amendment freedoms.

Because Barack Obama's campaign promise
not to take away our guns is a lie.
He's not even in office, yet he's fired the opening salvos in a war against the future of the Second Amendment, our hunting and shooting traditions, and YOU.

Obama's FIRST attack on YOU: Appointing Illinois Congressman Rahm Emanuel to be White House Chief of Staff. In Congress, Emanuel earned an "F" rating from NRA, and while working in the Clinton Administration, he was known as the "point man on gun control." He is an avowed enemy of the Second Amendment and will wield enormous power in the battle for the future of our firearm freedoms.

Obama's SECOND attack on YOU: If Hillary Clinton is confirmed as Secretary of State, she'll rip the Second Amendment right out of the Bill of Rights. She'll be our nation's top diplomat with the power to determine whether the United Nations will pass, and Obama will sign, a global gun ban treaty that will surrender our Second Amendment rights and our national sovereignty.

Obama's THIRD attack on YOU: Nominating ex-Senator and former Majority Leader Tom Daschle-an avowed enemy of NRA-to be Secretary of Health and Human Services. NRA was responsible for defeating Daschle when he ran in South Dakota for re-election to the Senate. If Daschle is confirmed, he could hold the ultimate power to declare guns a "public health menace" and regulate away our essential liberties.

Obama's FOURTH attack on YOU: Nominating Eric Holder to be Attorney General. As former Assistant Attorney General, Holder was a key architect and vocal advocate for the Clinton era's sweeping gun ban agenda. He supported national handgun licensing, mandatory trigger locks, and ending gun shows as we know them.

Just recently, Holder opposed the District of Columbia's Heller decision that declared the Second Amendment an individual right. Holder also called for reviving the Clinton gun bans and, as Attorney General, would fight in court to prevent the landmark Heller decision from being made applicable to state and local governments.

Worst of all, if Holder is confirmed as the nation's top law-enforcement officer, he would control BATFE and wield enormous power to harass gun owners and sue America's arms makers out of existence.

Obama's FIFTH attack on YOU: In the job application for the Obama Administration, he made it clear that gun owners are second-class citizens and told 80 million gun owners not to even bother applying for a job. In the "White House Personnel Data Questionnaire" he asked:

"Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide
complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever
lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has
been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."

This chilling notice to gun owners-that they are not welcome to serve in his Administration-shows the deep hostility for Americans' Second Amendment Freedoms that Obama and his Administration have in their hearts.

On its face, that question endorses gun registration-a mandate in only five states in our nation-and buys into the anti-gun premise that firearms are inherently dangerous and gun owners are prone to misusing them.

That's an outrageous mindset, especially for the President-elect whose sworn duty will be to uphold the U.S. Constitution, including our right to keep and bear arms.

Obama CLEARLY wants to make gun registration the law of the land.

First for employees under his control...AND THEN FOR YOU.

Working with a Congress dominated by gun haters like Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, John Conyers, Henry Waxman, and Charles Schumer!!!

Rubbing salt in gun owner wounds is the Brady Campaign, which just issued a completely bogus poll claiming that two-thirds of the Americans-including 60% of all gun owners-favor gun registration, licensing of firearm owners, and other sweeping restrictions on our firearm freedoms!

[mycar47562]

Well ive never been a fan of the nra but at these corrupt times they might be the only one's who can help us

[capngeo]

Well ive never been a fan of the nra but at these corrupt times they might be the only one's who can help us

I'm NOT a member... they pissed me off a long time ago... BUT I'm giving serious thought to "sucking it up" and joining

[mycar47562]

I am to seems smart either that or make you own org and join with them to fight this

[rjrivero]

I don't know how the NRA pissed you off, and I hope you can get over it. The NRA is THE only organization that despite color, creed, political affiliation, or gender stands for one thing, and one thing only: Protection of our Second Amendment rights.

Just by being on this board, you show that you enjoy these rights.

I urge you, if you aren't a member, become one.

[mycar47562]

Here is my problem with the nra, they use lobbist. I have always hated lobbist it promotes corruption and will never be part of an organization that uses them. I will let my gun speak for it self if the time's call for it

[rjrivero]

Here is my problem with the nra, they use lobbist. I have always hated lobbist it promotes corruption and will never be part of an organization that uses them. I will let my gun speak for it self if the time's call for it

I applaud you on your morals. But your Morals won't protect the 2nd Ammendment rights. If you want to win, you need to play the game.

[mycar47562]

If you play there games, you submit to there rules. By submiting to there rules, you lose your morals.

[mycar47562]

I understand you feel your helping and really you are i just cant be a part in helping corrupt our goverment even more. So i will sit patiently and hope for the best outcome.

[rjrivero]

If you play there games, you submit to there rules. By submiting to there rules, you lose your morals.
What makes a criminal a criminal? When do you stop being a law abiding citizen and become an anarchist?

Those rules that we are talking about are the rules of the Governing body of our country. By choosing not to play their game, you have chosen to ignore the rules. This is the fundamental theme of the criminal mind. When you choose to ignore the RULES you become the criminal. To effect change, you need to do so by the LEGAL means available.

What is it about our lobby system that butts against your Moral Standing, exactly?

[rjrivero]

I understand you feel your helping and really you are i just cant be a part in helping corrupt our goverment even more. So i will sit patiently and hope for the best outcome.

A sin of omission is still a sin. If it's corruption you're against, then I stand with you. But instead of standing silently, I'll shout out loud and shine a spotlight into every dark corner where corruption hides.

To bury your head and hope it comes out fine, to borrow from another post, is SHEEPISH behaviour.

[mycar47562]

what makes a criminal a criminal? When do you stop being a law abiding citizen and become an anarchist?

Those rules that we are talking about are the rules of the governing body of our country. By choosing not to play their game, you have chosen to ignore the rules. This is the fundamental theme of the criminal mind. When you choose to ignore the rules you become the criminal. To effect change, you need to do so by the legal means available.

What is it about our lobby system that butts against your moral standing, exactly?

you make a decent point but isnt the ban of guns also illegal? Or is our constitution just a piece of paper that means nothing? As far as being a criminal, if ends that way it ends that way. My problem with lobbist is they gain votes by giving money to the senator's thge most they can give is 2300 dollars but if he gets enough of his family to give that 2300 then he could easily reach the senator's yearly salary. So my point is the lobbist use money to buy vote's that in it self is corruption.

[mycar47562]

But there is other way's to point out corruption than being apart of it isnt there? There was more i wanted to add to that post but decided i shouldn't. So don't think i am being sheepish about my thought's.i just know of only one way to project them legally, how ever taboo it is.

[rjrivero]

you make a decent point but isnt the ban of guns also illegal? Or is our constitution just a piece of paper that means nothing? As far as being a criminal, if ends that way it ends that way. My problem with lobbist is they gain votes by giving money to the senator's thge most they can give is 2300 dollars but if he gets enough of his family to give that 2300 then he could easily reach the senator's yearly salary. So my point is the lobbist use money to buy vote's that in it self is corruption.

To address this point, YES IT IS. The Constitution of the United States is just a PIECE OF PAPER. It means NOTHING unless you take it upon yourself to keep the spirit alive. That is what the NRA is all about. Keeping the Second Ammendment ALIVE in spirit.

I also get your point on the lobby system. It can happen that a lobbist will pay big bucks to win a vote. I'm not naieve enough to think it doesn't. But remember, the representatives ONLY hold their job as long as WE the VOTERS allow them to. Without that seat, the money all dries up. Let your congressman know that you vote, and you are in the NRA and you support GUN OWNERS RIGHTS.

You can only control your actions. To do nothing, is tacet approval to continue the status quo. Stand up, and shout until you're heard. To be part of the silent majority is the best way to loose your liberty.

[mycar47562]

And that is what sadens me the most is that we fell that our constituional rights are only in spirt. Im young i know im idilistic but i just cant see how we can turn our back on the men who fought and died to get us away for this exact goverment. And now the goverment wants to say fuck you to our ancestor's we like the old way better. Seems like the sadest thing i have seen in my whole life.

[mycar47562]

And helping the corrupt goverment by allowing more corruption just isnt something i can sit for. I understand your feelings i just cant be apart of it.

[rjrivero]

And helping the corrupt goverment by allowing more corruption just isnt something i can sit for. I understand your feelings i just cant be apart of it.

I understand your disillusionment with the governement, and I'll respect that. The thing I find most sad is that there is an entire generation who share your same feelings, and feel so powerless to change things.

This is how Democracy DIES. Apathy kills democracy, like a disease. It comes on slowly at first, and gains a foot hold. By the time we realize what is going on, we are facing death.

[mycar47562]

Dont confuse how i feel for apathy if they outlaw guns i will be the first person in dc protesting it. In my eye's your supporting the exact corruption we are trying to fight. Is there a way for me to get my voice out there without joining the nra? If so i would love to hear about it.

[rjrivero]

Dont confuse how i feel for apathy if they outlaw guns i will be the first person in dc protesting it. In my eye's your supporting the exact corruption we are trying to fight. Is there a way for me to get my voice out there without joining the nra? If so i would love to hear about it.

Let me see what I can find.

[mycar47562]

That would be kool thanks

[rjrivero]

What if I told you the NRA and the NRA-ILA are different enities? The NRA is an organization that supports the second amendment rights, and the NRA-ILA is the legislative arm of the NRA. Would that make any difference to you morally?

[mycar47562]

THE FUNDS FROM MEMBERSHIPS FROM THE NRA SUPPORT THE NRA-ILA

The most important benefit of NRA membership, however, is the defense of your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. NRA-ILA tracks the issues and alerts members about legislation involving firearms and hunting at the federal, state and local levels of government. Successful legislative action begins with you -- the individual member.


SO SORRY BUT NO THE BIG PROBLEM WITH OUR GOVERMENT IS THERE REALLY IS NO WAY OF SUPPORTING CHANGE WITHOUT USING STUFF LIKE THAT

[Oriondk]

Really, all lobbyist money does is buy a voice. That's why a lot of companies and lobbyists will donate to both political parties. Let's say you're Joe Schmo and you own a company that needs government approval or money for a project. By donating money you're basically making yourself known to the Congressman and getting a chance to speak with him and make your case. Of course, I'm talking about enough money to be noticed. Whether the Congressperson chooses to support you is their decision to make. There is nothing corrupt about it unless the Congressperson allows himself to be corrupted. In some cases there is real corruption and when it's found out it's prosecuted.
Mostly what the NRA does is back candidates that are pro 2nd Ammendment and works to get them elected.

[capngeo]

My my, a busy afternoon you've had whilst I was funeraling.....

The NRA pissed me off because I was in the EPL Life member program. At the time it was $750 payable in fifteen $50 quarterly installments. About the time of my 10th installment I was embroiled in a bitter divorce. My (ahem) wife was tossing my mail in the trash and managed to get a freeze on all my assets..... NOTHING got paid.

The NRA dropped me from the membership rolls for non-payment. When things settled, I wrote to the NRA explaining, the divorce, change of address etc, asking to be re-instated in the EPL. They said basically, sorry for your luck start over from zero if you want to join OUR organization...... FUCK that! I'm still bitter over that ten years later!

That said, I am considering joining as a $35/year member and perhaps a random donation to ILA in spite of my bitterness.

[Oriondk]

Dang, George, that sucks. Should've had her arrested for tampering with the mail.:bat:

[mycar47562]

Really, all lobbyist money does is buy a voice. That's why a lot of companies and lobbyists will donate to both political parties. Let's say you're Joe Schmo and you own a company that needs government approval or money for a project. By donating money you're basically making yourself known to the Congressman and getting a chance to speak with him and make your case. Of course, I'm talking about enough money to be noticed. Whether the Congressperson chooses to support you is their decision to make. There is nothing corrupt about it unless the Congressperson allows himself to be corrupted. In some cases there is real corruption and when it's found out it's prosecuted.
Mostly what the NRA does is back candidates that are pro 2nd Ammendment and works to get them elected.

yea in theory it doesnt sound that bad but what these companies do is get 100 of there friends to donate the 2300 dollars and bam you have 230,000 i believe thats what they make a year. so basically they buy votes and weather you think they make thier on decision or not is up to you but i smell some nasty :eek: when ever i hear about anything from the congress or senate