Just Renewed my Permit

[rjrivero]

The opening of this forum coincides with me renewing my Concealed Carry Permit.

I had to retake the class, since I got my original upon discharge from the Navy, so I wnet to do that Saturday. I got 100% on the written test, and scored 273/275 on the qualification. (I have a cold and coughed as I pulled one shot)

What will you do?

[Max]

Excellent RJ and congratulations. I took the class with Rob and only missed one round out of the 50 we shot. The instructor told me at the end of the class though that I was the only person he had ever seen shoot all 50 rounds at head shots though. :) I took it with a colt series 80 with a 4" barrel.

[rjrivero]

Excellent RJ and congratulations. I took the class with Rob and only missed one round out of the 50 we shot. The instructor told me at the end of the class though that I was the only person he had ever seen shoot all 50 rounds at head shots though. :) I took it with a colt series 80 with a 4" barrel.

Because you told me that a few weeks ago, I seriously thought about doing a head shot only qualifying. However, because they preach CENTER OF MASS, he would have docked points for headshots only. (The headshots were only worth 3 points each)

[Max]

Of course your right for best protection center mass is always your best shot. The targets we used actually had a center mass through the head and down area for 5 points and then an area around that for four and then three was off to the side of the body or shoulder. The one I missed I think I hit the ear. :)

[mycar47562]

wow here i just had to pay 55 wait 2 weeks and i got it. some time soon though im gonna get my uncle to put me thought the federal course

[Max]

Well in TX you have a mandated class for new and to renew which on average runs about $90 and then the state wants $140 to process a new and I can't remember what a renew cost but I think it's similar. Not to mention they take their sweet time to do all the background checks.

[mycar47562]

hum i wish we did have to take a class but 140 is to high

[FusionGrind]

I wish I could have a CWP here in IL, but not so. IL and WI are the only two states in the 50 that don't allow a concealed weapon.
I used to have one in PA. Literally walked in to the local sherriff's office there, paid the fee, and walked out with a temporary card.
As a nurse, used to work in some pretty bad places near Philly and it was nice to be able to carry to the car in a distant parking lot.

Jim

[Max]

Thanks Jim, I knew I needed more then CHL but my mind was blank. :)

[rjrivero]

hum i wish we did have to take a class but 140 is to high

Really?

A tanker truck driver who delivers gas to the gas station needs 60 hours of education and training to deliver GAS. He needs yearly updates and refreshers to continue to do so, because of the tremendous responsibility and potential for disaster should he not do his job right.

If someone were to need to use their "Tool of Last Resort" the fall out will be tremendous. You'll most likely be arrested, and your gun(s) confiscated. You may go before a grand jury and if they decide you acted outside of the laws governing lethal force, then you'll go to trial. You'll likely face civil charges outside of that.

Carrying a firearm is a TREMENDOUS responsibility. You need to be sure you can prove that you have done EVERYTHING you can to be vigilant in the use of a firearm, so that if and when that day comes, you can protect yourself, and all that you have worked so hard to obtain. $150 bucks every 4 or 5 years seems like it's not enough. :2cents:

[mycar47562]

lol is 150 including the price for the class?

[rjrivero]

lol is 150 including the price for the class?

$150 is just for the class. The Permit Application in Ohio is $50. A good lawyer is $400 an hour, plus retainer. And I have him on speed dial. ;)

[mycar47562]

i can see the 50 for the liscense and i would pay 150 for a class in a second. from what i read in max's post its 150 just for the liscence. my uncle is with the tbi(Tennessee Bureau of Investigation) secert service and the air marshalls. he runs my dad thru his program every year im gonna start doing it with them. so ill have the training that im sure i need

[rjrivero]

i can see the 50 for the liscense and i would pay 150 for a class in a second. from what i read in max's post its 150 just for the liscence. my uncle is with the tbi(Tennessee Bureau of Investigation) secert service and the air marshalls. he runs my dad thru his program every year im gonna start doing it with them. so ill have the training that im sure i need

Law enforcement training is VERY good training. It does NOT replace Concealed Carry Training. The rules are different when you're a civilian than when you wear a badge. There are different expectations. Please do yourself a favor and be aware of the differences.

[Max]

i can see the 50 for the liscense and i would pay 150 for a class in a second. from what i read in max's post its 150 just for the liscence. my uncle is with the tbi(Tennessee Bureau of Investigation) secert service and the air marshalls. he runs my dad thru his program every year im gonna start doing it with them. so ill have the training that im sure i need

One thing about a Texas CHL, they have a deal with two dozen states that you can legally carry in with your texas chl. For me Oklahoma and Louisiana are the two important ones since I visit those states often.

Texas Reciprocity Agreements



Alabama, as of August 8, 2006. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/AlabamaProc.pdf)] [Alabama CHL Information (http://www.ago.state.al.us/issue/Alabama_Weapon_Law.pdf)]
Alaska, as of September 26, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/alaskareciprocity.pdf)] [Alaska CHL Information (http://www.dps.state.ak.us/PermitsLicensing/achp/index.asp)]
Arizona, as of September 15, 1999. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr091599.htm)] [Arizona CHL Information (http://www.dps.state.az.us/ccw/default.asp)]
Arkansas, as of February 18, 1998. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr021998.htm)] [Arkansas CHL Information (http://www.asp.state.ar.us/chl/chl.html)]
Colorado, as of December 29, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/coloradonote.htm)] [Colorado CHL Information (http://www.cbi.state.co.us/ccw/relatedstats.asp)]
Deleware, as of November 1, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/Delawareagreement.pdf)] [Deleware CHL Information (http://www.state.de.us/attgen/main_page/concealedweapons.htm)]
Florida, as of August 28, 2000. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr090700.htm)] [Florida CHL Information (http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html)]
Georgia, as of November 22, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/Georgia.pdf)] [Georgia CHL Information]
Idaho, as of April 19, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/IdahoReciprocity.pdf)] [Idaho CHL Information (http://www.state.id.us/health_safety/firearms.html)]
Indiana, as of November 2, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/Indianaproclamation.pdf)] [Indiana CHL Information (http://www.state.in.us/isp/firearms/Firearms_Laws_03.pdf)]
Kansas, as of January 30, 2007. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/nebraskaproc.pdf)] [Kansas CHL Information (http://www.ksag.org/Concealed_Weapon/75-7c-01.PDF)]
Kentucky, as of September 26, 2000. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr092600.htm)] [Kentucky CHL Information (http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm)]
Louisiana, as of August 28, 1998. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr083198.htm)] [Louisiana CHL Information (http://www.lsp.org/handguns.html)]
Michigan, as of September 1, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm)] [Michigan CHL Information (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654---,00.html)]
Mississippi, as of September 7, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/missagreement.pdf)] [Mississippi CHL Information (http://www.dps.state.ms.us/dps/dps.nsf/divpages/hp2firearm)]
Missouri, as of September 6, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/MissouriReciprocity.pdf)] [Missouri CHL Information (http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM)]
Montana, as of November 29, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/montanarecip.pdf)] [Montana CHL Information (http://www.doj.state.mt.us/enforcement/concealedweapons.asp)]
New Mexico, as of November 30, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/newmexicorecip.pdf)] [New Mexico CHL Information (http://www.dps.nm.org/faq/concealed_weapon.htm)]
North Carolina, as of April 19, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr050604.htm)] [North Carolina CHL Information (http://www.ncdoj.com/law_enforcement/cle_handguns.jsp)]
North Dakota, as of February 4, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ndakrecip.pdf)] [North Dakota CHL Information (http://www.ag.state.nd.us/BCI/CW/reciprocity.htm) More information (http://www.state.nd.us/ndhp/firearms.html)]
Oklahoma, as of July 24, 1998. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr072498.htm)] [Oklahoma CHL Information (http://www.osbi.state.ok.us/sda.htm)]
Pennsylvania, as of February 28, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/PennReciprocity.pdf)] [Pennsylvania CHL Information (http://www.psp.state.pa.us/psp/cwp/browse.asp?A=15&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&C=70426)]
South Carolina, as of February 25, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/southcarolina.pdf)] [North Carolina CHL Information (http://www.sled.state.sc.us/sled/default.asp?Category=sccwp&Service=StateGunLaws)]
South Dakota, as of September 6, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/SouthDakotaReciprocity.pdf)] [South Dakota CHL Information (http://www.sdsos.gov/firearms/)]
Tennessee, as of August 30, 2000. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr090700.htm)] [Tennessee CHL Information (http://www.state.tn.us/safety/handguns.html)]
Utah, as of September 3, 2004. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/utahagreement.pdf)] [Utah CHL Information (http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFPHome.html)]
Virginia, as of September 1, 2005. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm)] [Virginia CHL Information (http://www.vsp.state.va.us/cjis_ftc.htm)]
Wyoming, as of July 25, 2002. [DPS Notice (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/pr072502.htm)] [Wyoming CHL Information (http://attorneygeneral.state.wy.us/dci/CWP.html)]

[mycar47562]

I believe we have the same states but i could be wrong on a few bad thing is i lost my list lol

[Mark]

I just renewed mine, it consisted of sending in a $65 check and a new picture.......

The Florida class was good for basic understanding of the rules but the range test was a joke. All you had to do was hit the target with 6 out of 10 rounds @ 7 yards. I made 1 hole and had the instructor tell me to do it again and make at least 6 separate holes so he didn't get in trouble. I used my Sig 226, it was the most accurate gun I owned at the time.

[rjrivero]

I just renewed mine, it consisted of sending in a $65 check and a new picture.......

The Florida class was good for basic understanding of the rules but the range test was a joke. All you had to do was hit the target with 6 out of 10 rounds @ 7 yards. I made 1 hole and had the instructor tell me to do it again and make at least 6 separate holes so he didn't get in trouble. I used my Sig 226, it was the most accurate gun I owned at the time.

That's funny. We used the same course of fire that the Sheriff Department uses. 55 rounds total. 35 at 20 Feet, 10 at 40 feet, 10 at 50 feet. I forget what the hit requirement was......

[Mark]

That's funny. We used the same course of fire that the Sheriff Department uses. 55 rounds total. 35 at 20 Feet, 10 at 40 feet, 10 at 50 feet. I forget what the hit requirement was......

I think 70% of the people in FL that have permits wouldn't have them if we had to do that.

My father-in-law is retired NY State Police. Under the patriot act they mobilized retired police under a national licensing program. He has to quality every year, just like he did on the force, but it allows him to carry almost everywhere. I even think he can carry in secure areas of airports and in government buildings.

The qualification is more rigorous than most police and file departments use. It's modeled around the FBI qualification and involves fast draw, shoot from the hip, multiple reload and other combat situations. I was going to train with him last year but work got in the way, I"m hoping to train with him this year. He wants me to get into more combat simulations but it's hard at the local range, they don't allow rapid fire...... I'm actually quite humbled, he shoots with a number of his riding buddies but I'm the only one he's extended this offer to. BTW, he was a sharp shooter and sniper in Vietnam, he's very good.

[rjrivero]

I think 70% of the people in FL that have permits wouldn't have them if we had to do that.

My father-in-law is retired NY State Police. Under the patriot act they mobilized retired police under a national licensing program. He has to quality every year, just like he did on the force, but it allows him to carry almost everywhere. I even think he can carry in secure areas of airports and in government buildings.

The qualification is more rigorous than most police and file departments use. It's modeled around the FBI qualification and involves fast draw, shoot from the hip, multiple reload and other combat situations. I was going to train with him last year but work got in the way, I"m hoping to train with him this year. He wants me to get into more combat simulations but it's hard at the local range, they don't allow rapid fire...... I'm actually quite humbled, he shoots with a number of his riding buddies but I'm the only one he's extended this offer to. BTW, he was a sharp shooter and sniper in Vietnam, he's very good.

Now that sounds like fun. There is a private club near here that does IPSC style shoots, but they aren't really true to life simulations anymore. The gear is SILLY crazy. I still use a standard holster and my "carry" 1911. I need to get a picture of it. It's well used, and my FAVORITE gun.

[Remphoto]

Another great site, Max. I have had an Ohio CCW for a number of years but have never carried. Originally got it because I like guns and wanted to stick it to the anti-gunners. I live in a rural area and don't feel much need to carry for protection. However, with all the bs occurring that is likely to change. My company has had two holdups in the last 3 weeks. So am looking for a smaller carry weapon (currently have a full-sized SA 1911) and an AR15 "assault weapon" before they are again banned. Was surprised to see that Ohio doesn't have a reciprocal with Texas. You guys must intimidate the Ohio politicians; probably afraid Texans will carry those .44 magnums up here <g>

Rob

[Remphoto]

Law enforcement training is VERY good training. It does NOT replace Concealed Carry Training. The rules are different when you're a civilian than when you wear a badge. There are different expectations. Please do yourself a favor and be aware of the differences.

You are so right, RJ. My son is a Florida police officer and he has all kinds of special training and restrictions related to his off-duty CCW. His carry weapon has to be the same brand, caliber and style as his duty weapon. This is for "liability reasons" but I can see the practicality of having universal controls. In his case, he carries a small Glock .40 to match his full-sized Glock duty weapon. (He was disappointed he couldn't use his Kimber UltraCarry, but I offered to take it off his hands :) ) Also, holster has to have a catch. They cannot use the carry weapon as an on-duty backup, etc.

Rob

[Gazoo]

In moving to Oregon I will have to re-do everything. They don't accept any other states permit, no matter what the charts say.

[mikep]

$150 is just for the class. The Permit Application in Ohio is $50. A good lawyer is $400 an hour, plus retainer. And I have him on speed dial. ;)


Don't you get a free lawyer as part of being a member of the NRA?

[rjrivero]

Don't you get a free lawyer as part of being a member of the NRA?

"You get what you pay for."

[mikep]

NRA probably has WAY bigger budgets then anyone here can afford. And it is in their interest to see that you win your case.

[rjrivero]

NRA probably has WAY bigger budgets then anyone here can afford. And it is in their interest to see that you win your case.

Valid point. I haven't thought about that.

[jerry226]

Indiana is very liberal about guns.I just got a lifetime personal protection permit for 100.00.I think its cool to be done buying a permit.